Posted by: dyfedher | March 24, 2010

Comment on an archaeological record

Found something interesting on Archwilio that you’d like to tell us about? Perhaps you have information, or just want to share your thoughts about an archaeological site or monument. Here is the place to do it. Please quote the Archwilio record Primary Reference Number (PRN) in your comment so the correct record can be identified. To obtain more information on a record please see our Enquiries Page.

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  1. Hi,
    Did a search of my home village Trimsaran,Dyfed.
    Important Medieval site Spudder Bridge alongside teh B4308 between Trimsaran and Kidwelly is not shown, nor the ruins of an old mill close to SA17 4DL
    on the outskirts of Trimsaran

  2. Thank you, yours is the first public comment we have received on Archwilio!
    Spudder’s bridge is in fact recorded, as PRN 1614. It is a listed building and a scheduled ancient monument. I am still trying to track down a record for the mill. If it is not recorded then I may ask you for any more information that you have, in order that we can make an entry for it in the database.
    DAT HER Manager

  3. Llongyfarchiadau ar lansiad eich gwefan. Mae’n edrych yn dda. Un peth hoffwn nodi, serch hynny, yw’r angen i gael y cofnodion yn ddwyieithog. Deallaf pam fod y disgrifiadau yn Saesneg yn unig oherwydd dyna iaith wreiddiol y cofnod, ond oes modd gwneud fersiwn Gymraeg neu ddwyieithog o weddill y tudalen? Diolch.

    • Hi Paul

      Even though it’s my day off Archwilio is such a new toy that I’ve just logged in to the pages where I manage the blogs and seen your comment!

      I’ve been learning Welsh for the past year with just this in mind – but so far only the intense entry level spoken Welsh for complete beginners, so I hope you’ll forgive me if I have misunderstood your enquiry. I am also not going to attempt to answer in Welsh as I am definitely not up to that yet!

      If I have the gist of your question, you say congrats on the launch and that the site looks good (thank you!) then go on to ask if there is a plan to have the Record translated or just the web pages.You understand that the original record is in English.

      We have, as you see, translated all the pages and provided a toggle for people to hop back and forwards from English to Welsh and vice versa. The translation of the Record is something we’d very much like to do but at present we have no source of funding for this. We (all the WATs) will of course be endeavoring to find funding for translation of part of the Record, things like site types and data in other glossary controlled fields, where they do translate, because this is quite a simple thing to do. As a former colleague I know you’re aware that some archaeological terms are tricky to translate and I’m also sure you understand that translation of 100,000+ individual descriptions will be a considerable task!
      I hope this answers your question
      Hwyl
      Marion

  4. Hi Marion,
    Congratulations from me too on launching Archwilio. I know it will prove very useful to all interested and involved in the heritage of Wales.

    I think the suggestion that Paul was making was not to do with the translation of the information in the record itself, but the “furniture” which sits on the rest of the returned search page for an individual record. The header and footer at the top of the page as well as the field title, eg, Site Type, Legal Protection etc are in English only on the Cymraeg page. Try a search from the Cymraeg page and see what we mean.

    It would put a finishing touch to a very good site if that could be sorted out.

    Jenny

    • Hi Jenny
      Thanks for your encouraging thoughts on Archwilio and for explaining Paul’s comment a bit better. My Welsh, as is painfully apparent, is still very basic but I hope that it will improve further as I attempt to deal with comments in Welsh.
      I’ve had a look and the English on those pages is an oversight on our part. It should be Welsh. Having said that I don’t know if the technology is capable of distinguishing between a search run from the English pages and one from the Welsh, and selecting the relevant html template for the results. To my mind it should be possible with a simple ‘if’ command in the sql expression that retrieves the desired information from our databases but, as you know, these things are not always as simple as I’d like them to be!! And I think it may only be possible to do the header and footer, we would need to write in aliases for the field headings and that may not be possible. But you never know.

      I will certainly find out though and if any of this is possible I will have it done as a matter of priority.

      See you soon
      Marion

  5. Very easy to use site and very interesting.
    May I correct spelling PRN 2079 is CILFOWYR CHAPEL OF EASE. and is on our farm. The details supplied here differ from those offered in a parish publication written by a local historian. He states it was a Chuch dedicated to St Daniel and after diduses as a church may have been a cottage or barn. Where would I start to research further information please?

  6. Thank you for your positive comments on Archwilio Viv!
    The list of references at the bottom of the record for the chapel in Archwilio is a useful starting point for following this up. Some of them we have in the HER reference library in our office, and you are welcome to come and look at those. You can email us – her@dyfedarchaeology.org.uk – or telephone 01558 823131 for an appointment.
    Best wishes
    Marion

  7. Primary Reference Number (PRN) : 6975
    Merrion Court Farm House, Castlemartin

    The house has late medieval features at the rear, including the remains of a corbelled out chimney stack on the North wall, hidden within an outbuilding. This is similar to those now visible at Flimston, Prickeston and formerly Moor. The house was rebuilt in c1820, using as much of the old fabric as possible. In the early 19th century the old house was described as only partially roofed (thatch?)and uninhabitable. The rebuild coincided with the replanning of the farms in this part of the Stackpole estate, following the acquisition by the estate of the parts of some properties formerly belonging to Orielton. A beautiful house probably under threat.

  8. LOVESTONE THE
    Primary Reference Number (PRN) : 7512

    Notice that this monument has been descheduled. Probably removed to Loveston farm yard from Eastern End of St Twynnells Churchyard. Seventeenth century will includes request that burial be by the Longstone that stood in the east of the churchyard. If this stone was situated in the east end of St Twynells Churchyard, then it made a striking alignment with two other stones in fields to the South East, seemingly sited to provide intervisibility.

  9. Hi, Not sure if anyone would be interested. I remember as a child rummaging through a ploughed field near to where I lived (and where my elderly parents still live) in Llangennech, near Llanelli. It was actually just off the footpath at Bryn farm. I remember uncovering lots of broken pottery and a carved Welsh Lady (looked to me out of bone)..I’m sure there’s a lot more there but how old and whether it’d be of any interest I’m not sure. Thought I’d let you know as I’ve always been curious what could have been on that spot (it does overlook the estuary from a hillside)….Feel free to get in touch should you wish exact location and further details.

    • Hi Darren
      Thank you for letting us know about that. I think that the broken pottery that you describe finding is likely to be the result of manuring. In the past the manure heap in the farmyard was where most household rubbish was thrown and this included broken pots. The manure was periodically spread on the fields as fertiliser and this is a common reason for the occurrence of sherds of pottery in ploughed fields. I would be interested to know if the pottery that you remember was glazed or not. The carved lady is a slightly more unusual find however and if you still have her we would be interested in having a look at her. Thanks again, Marion Page, DAT.

  10. There is a standing stone (or possible stone circle) listed by RCAHM, NPRN 300423. at Waun Mawn in Pembrokeshire. It’s a scheduled ancient monument but I can’t find it on your site. I wonder if there is a reason or am I looking in the wrong place?

    • Dear Molington
      The Waun Mawn standing stones are PRNs 1567 and 1568 in our database and their Cadw SAM number is Pe124. There is also a record for the stones as a pair, this is 1569 and Pe352. I found that a search for “Waun Mawn” on Archwilio found all these records but because the search is ‘Google style’ it finds every instance of ‘Waun’ and also of ‘Mawn’ and ‘Mawr’, so you have to scroll through the list of search results to find the relevant records. Now that you know the PRNs you can put “1567” in and it will find less results (put the ” around the number, it helps when searching).
      I hope that this information is helpful
      Best wishes
      Marion Page

      • Sorry not to have replied before but if you enter 1567 you still don’t get a PRN with that number. You get 1568 which refers to 1567 but not 1567. It also doesn’t show on the map search.

      • Hi Mollington. I am a little mystified as to why 1567 isn’t appearing for you as it is the first record in the table of search results for me. Are you putting the number in ” marks? This can help. When I search for “1567” it comes through fine. I hope this works but if not please contact me again.
        Best wishes
        Marion Page

      • Hi Marion

        Thanks for your help. I think I was searching for Bronze age but it is possibly also Neolithic so not coming up.

  11. Hi,

    I think the Archwilio app is a fantastic idea, problem is I cannot get it I have an i phone 5s (which does not seem to support the app) but I also have a kindle fire which is android so I had hoped to get it on there.

    Any suggestions

    • Dear Richard. We were advised to develop the app for the Android operating system initially, but we do fully intend to seek the resources to develop it for ios in due course. When that happens we will, of course, let everybody know.
      Best wishes
      Marion Page

  12. I accessed the database searching on Haverfordwest on 2 April.
    I (luckily) printed off a list.
    I was interested to see that The Crypt Haverfordwest PRN6503 had been de-scheduled.
    I have just looked at the list again and was surprised that 6503 no longer appears and also that 6501 Foley House has disappeared.
    The previous names of individual properties have now been amended to “listed building” which is far less helpful.
    I would be grateful if you could let me know how why the listing has been amended and properties deleted.

    • Dear John
      Thanks for your enquiry. I am a bit puzzled as to what can have happened though, as I have just searched on both those numbers and they both appeared. The names are also still appearing – only the legal status shows as ‘listed building’. We haven’t made any mass edits of that nature in the database so I really don’t know why they appeared like that for you. My only guess was that a search for ‘Haverfordwest’ returned too many results (only the first 100 will appear) and therefore some were missed out but I have tried it and both buildings appeared in the list. If you would like a list of all the recorded archaeological sites in the community of Haverfordwest (there are 564) please let me know, as I can provide you with that.
      Best wishes
      Marion Page, Historic Environment Record Manager.

      • Dear Marion,

        Many thanks for the prompt reply.

        I would have thought that a second search on Haverfordwest would have returned the same 100 results. However, I would be pleased to receive a copy of the full list.

        I understand that under proposed provisions in forthcoming The Heritage Act, local community interest groups may be able to participate and contribute to work in identifying the features of buildings that are Listed or warrant Listing. I have The British Listed Buildings list and that of coflein.

        Comparison of available listings seemed to be a good starting point.

        Thanks for your help, John.


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